tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28914795131503062832024-03-21T11:51:01.134-07:00Dutch AncestorsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891479513150306283.post-86310289579944289592024-01-29T06:10:00.000-08:002024-01-29T06:16:54.242-08:00Ancestors in New Netherland, the “Forgotten Colony” “Forgotten American patriot” Adrian Van Der Donck: Who the heck was he?? For starters, he was a known associate of Gary’s 9th great-granduncle Jacob Van Couwenhoven (b. 1612), & he was in colonial-affairs meetings with Joris & Catalina Trico Rapalje (Gary’s 10th great grandparents). All of these people appear in Russell Shorto’s “The Island at the Center of the World: The Epic Story of Dutch Manhattan and The Forgotten Colony That Shaped America”. <br /><br />These ancestors of ours were almost certainly involved in early representative government in a colony that early-on was characterized somewhat by tolerance and diversity, at a time when New England colonies were largely under the Puritans. “Dutch tolerance was indeed renowned throughout Europe” (pg. 274, Shorto). “Religious bigotry was a mainstay of society. The four New England colonies to the north were founded on it”. The Dutch were supposed to be an exception, but “the blanket of tolerance got a bit tattered on the transatlantic voyage”. African enslaved persons were in New Netherland, but had some legal rights, including the right to sue Europeans. Small consolation. <br /><br />Sir Winston Churchill (“A History of the English Speaking Peoples: The New World”) dubbed Roger Williams of Rhode Island as “America’s First Political Thinker”, an advocate of separation of church and state. Williams may have arrived in New England about the same time as Phoebe Sayles (Gary’s 9th great grandmother), who reportedly sailed in one of Winthrop’s ships to New England before she and her father moved to New Netherland and altered their names to Dutch equivalents. Femmetje “Phoebe” Sayles Van Middleswaert & Sarah Rapalje Bogaert (both were Gary’s 9th great grandmothers) later became in-laws when their kids married, & were both buried in the same Dutch Reformed cemetery at Flatbush Long Island, viewed in June 2023. Phoebe & Sarah were ancestors of Gary’s 6th great grandmother Marytje Brokaw Van Voorhees (b. 1721), who was only 1 generation removed from where AncestryDNA’s Thru Lines analyses start connecting Gary’s autosomal DNA with cousins with this ancestry. <br /><br />In 1609, Englishman Henry Hudson had explored the river now bearing his name, up to a future fur trading station at Fort Nassau. Hudson was the subject of a blog entry by Gary’s onetime associate, the Frieslander Hans Zijlstra, whose yDNA is a match with several of our Schenck cousins and with others from the far north Netherlands. Fort Orange (much later called Albany) became the first settlement of the Dutch colony New Netherland, & our Rapalje ancestors arrived with other Walloons (French speakers from current Belgium) on the very first immigrant ship, in 1624. This Dutch colony landed near the Dutch trading post of Fort Nassau in 1614, which pre-dated the 1620 Mayflower voyage, but did not predate the founding of Jamestown (associated with our Tucker and Parham ancestries). Joris’ & Catalina’s daughter Sarah Rapalje (b. 1625; Gary’s 9th great grandmother) was reportedly the first European baby born in New Netherland. She may currently have in excess of one million descendants. Joris “George” Rapalje figured prominently in New Netherland history, first at Ft. Orange, & then at Manhattan. See <a href="https://history.nycourts.gov/figure/joris-de-rapelje/">https://history.nycourts.gov/figure/joris-de-rapelje/</a> Prior to the 1636 attack by the Mohawks, 9th great granny Catrina Trico Rapalje had called the local Indians “Quiet as lambs”.<br /><br />In 1636, following the murder of the Commissar (Commander) of Fort Orange by the Mohawks, Director Pieter Minuit ordered all the colonists in the outlying settlements to move to Manhattan. Joris Jansen de Rapalje set up an inn (& tavern) on Pearl Street, adjoining the old Fort. He was also a boatswain, involved in the capture of ships for prize.<br /><br />On June 16, 1637, Joris de Rapalje purchased a 335-acre bowery (farm) near Wallabout in Brooklyn from the Native Americans. The estate included a considerable waterfront on the Bay, and lay along the stream known by its Indian name of Rinnegakonck.” Joris later lived on Long Island, was on a 12-man council & was a magistrate of Brooklyn. More on Rapalje:<br /><br /><a href="https://sites.google.com/site/mcfarlandbatesfamilytrees/home/family-tree-of-arthur-glenn-mcfarland/smith-family-line/fulkerson-family-line/rapalje-family-line">https://sites.google.com/site/mcfarlandbatesfamilytrees/home/family-tree-of-arthur-glenn-mcfarland/smith-family-line/fulkerson-family-line/rapalje-family-line </a><br /><br />By the late 1640s, New Amsterdam was becoming a hub of North American shipping. Adrian Van Der Donck organized the businessmen who made the port function. He organized a new political party, along with his associate, trader Jacob Couwenhoven (Gary’s 9th great granduncle), & others (pg. 197, Shorto). <br /><br />See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriaen_van_der_Donck">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriaen_van_der_Donck</a> for an account of Van Der Donck’s “Description of New Netherland”.<br /><br />Thomas O'Donnell wrote: “Had he written in English rather than Dutch, his ‘Description’ would certainly have won from posterity the same kind, if not the same amount, of veneration that has been bestowed on Bradford's ‘Of Plymouth Plantation’. As it turned out, Van der Donck's book was written, published, widely read, put aside, and, alas, almost forgotten long before Bradford's book was published at all.<br /><br />Though the English eventually took over the colony, the city of New Amsterdam retained the municipal charter van der Donck had lobbied for, including uniquely Dutch features, such as a guarantee of free trade.<br /><br />In his 2004 work ‘The Island at the Center of the World’, the New York Times contributing writer Russell Shorto wrote that van der Donck's character and actions were important to the development of the American spirit and he labeled Donck as a ‘forgotten American patriot’."<br /><br />In 1625 at Fort Orange, our Rapalje ancestors would have had close contact with the Mohawk tribe of the Iroquois Confederacy (Seneca, Cayuga, Oneida, Onondaga, & Mohawk; Tuscarora were added in 1722), and with the Mohicans. The Iroquois Constitution has in common, in part, with the US Constitution: A system of government that divides power among different branches; provisions for the protection of individual rights; & impeachment (a power of Iroquois women). Provisions of this Iroquois constitution were known to framers of the US Constitution. See the reference to the 1751 letter by Benjamin Franklin at <a href="https://www.history.com/news/iroquois-confederacy-influence-us-constitution">https://www.history.com/news/iroquois-confederacy-influence-us-constitution </a><br /><br />When the English seized New Netherland, the Dutch didn’t just go away. Some of our Dutch kin were still at Flatbush when that village served as a staging area for the 1776 British & Hessian assault on the Patriot forces at Brooklyn Heights, the largest battle of the Revolutionary War. The Green-Wood Cemetery at the Brooklyn Heights picturesque location was visited by Gary and friends in June 2023. A local history of 1776 was written about by Gertrude Phebe Lefferts Vanderbilt (b. 1824), Gary’s 3rd cousin, 5 times removed. Gertrude’s husband’s immigrating Van Der Bilt ancestor was an indentured servant to our Van Couwenhoven kin. The Vanderbilts prospered, no doubt as a result, in part, of Van Couwenhoven (Conover) tutelage. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. <p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman, serif;"><span></span></span></p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman, serif;"><span style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span></span><span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span></span><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiHOznBWuhs5wCGRYt0T-cNsjmnibhKqHiB2W9t32NxLziuw7232LHrULgCX3ifSTviu7yxMTyz_aYKsnEbnnL8Gdxe8PSJF1fyRv99D_jSYB_dCzoL4pj0-kaMBbHR0raV5P3qb8FJaDs1qZhVKhi3k-jRrEPRhjpXFLwMxo8aaOmHESFiA7rXW6tJFHM" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="688" data-original-width="534" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiHOznBWuhs5wCGRYt0T-cNsjmnibhKqHiB2W9t32NxLziuw7232LHrULgCX3ifSTviu7yxMTyz_aYKsnEbnnL8Gdxe8PSJF1fyRv99D_jSYB_dCzoL4pj0-kaMBbHR0raV5P3qb8FJaDs1qZhVKhi3k-jRrEPRhjpXFLwMxo8aaOmHESFiA7rXW6tJFHM" width="186" /></a><b>Gerret Woldertse VanCouwenhoven</b></div><p></p><div style="text-align: left;"><div style="text-align: left;">Gerret was my 9th great grandfather, & a brother of Jacob who appears in the text as a fur trader & known associate of Adrian Van Der Donck, who was involved in representative government in the Dutch colony, before the Puritan English colonies did so. I think that this pic of Gerret is from the original in a New York museum. Beaver pelts were used to make felt hats & other items. Mercury was used in making felt for hats. I.E. "Mad as a Hatter".</div><br /><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: white; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, serif;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: white; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, serif;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhq7CiHUNcQRuBfwsPhD8HgOvR_tCHOU49JQt4BTiP_gJ9G1j3Vdh2S7IZ0KmQnaVX9bZPLIdWLNpavmxdgZ29uNYkfBanyg_-PAQpT3tCqlZiuvkWAwI3-ARQAKycoYFaIiwQvoe-8WL7pddMESsBPPjDqFllfVbVDnaCo3a4CafuYiOcWuJv_YKTz4ec" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="483" data-original-width="408" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhq7CiHUNcQRuBfwsPhD8HgOvR_tCHOU49JQt4BTiP_gJ9G1j3Vdh2S7IZ0KmQnaVX9bZPLIdWLNpavmxdgZ29uNYkfBanyg_-PAQpT3tCqlZiuvkWAwI3-ARQAKycoYFaIiwQvoe-8WL7pddMESsBPPjDqFllfVbVDnaCo3a4CafuYiOcWuJv_YKTz4ec" width="203" /></a></div></span><b>Half Moon Hudson Palisades</b><br />This Half Moon (Halve Maen) 1989 replica (made in Albany) is sailing up the Hudson River at The Palisades. Half Moon was the ship of Englishman Henry Hudson in the Dutch employ; in 1609 he went up the river as far as the rapids, where the Dutch later established a fur trading post, then a colony of settlers, our Rapalje & Trico kin being on the very first ship of settlers in 1624. This blog covers our Rapalje at Ft. Orange/Albany. <br />I think that I have seen this very Half Moon ship replica in Hoorn, but I can't recall when (I might have a clue on that, but need to do some research in old trip notes). According to Wikipedia, this ship is now at Volendam North Holland. </div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891479513150306283.post-13390613486349294652023-11-04T06:04:00.002-07:002023-11-04T06:04:25.725-07:00 Flatbush Long Island: Lefferts, Suydam, Van Kouwenhoven, & Van Voorhees<p><span style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; font-size: 13px;">In June 2023, my daughter Lara & I (Gary) were in Brooklyn & briefly viewed a few Dutch ancestral locations, including the Jan Martense Schenck house & Nicholas Schenck house in the Brooklyn Museum.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space" style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; font-size: 13px;"> J</span><span style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; font-size: 13px;">an was my 8th great granduncle, & Nicholas was Jan’s grandson.</span></p><p class="p1" style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-size: 13px; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px;">The Flatbush Reformed Dutch Church Cemetery contains graves of several of our kin. Including my 7th great grandfather Pieter Lefferts (1680-1774). He & his wife Eyje (Ida) Suydam (1676-1777) were parents of Antje Lefferts (1728-1804) who married Garret Kouwenhoven (1726-1777); my 6th greats.</p><p class="p2" style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-size: 13px; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; min-height: 15px;"><br /></p><p class="p1" style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-size: 13px; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px;">A Lefferts family home was originally located within a mile or so north of the Flatbush Church, was destroyed in 1776 when the British invaded Long Island, was rebuilt, & much later moved into current Prospect Park in Brooklyn. We did not have time to tour the current Lefferts Home. The original house belonged to Lt. Pieter Lefferts (1753-1791), a grandson of my 7th great grandparents Pieter Lefferts & Ida Suydam. Lt. Pieter Lefferts was reportedly in the Flatbush Company of Militia under Col. Van Brunt. See http://dunhamwilcox.net/ny/li_rev_troops.htm for details. Several of my ancestral surnames appear. Col. Richard Van Brunt’s Kings County command reportedly included Lt. Col. Nicholas Covenhoven. Both commissioned March 11, 1776.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Captains included Johannes Vanderbilt, Lambert Suydam (1743-1833; DAR # A111437), Cornelius Vanderveer, & Bernard Suydam. The Flatbush section included Capt. Cornelius Vanderveer & 1st Lt. Pieter Lefferts, my 1st cousin, 7 times removed. DAR also lists Hendrick Suydam (1751-1819), who was in a troop of horse under Capt. Lambert Suydam.</p><p class="p1" style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-size: 13px; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px;"><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjSabVRdAZny7atEavqTo0akjRPIIuK0-MY10jeY-mPqomZN-5fznYdDnH9L9MiSzjreDg_y9ImF21_J9uJlaF2opEGyfALuFfZKKLDFhwpqTnfsOOu-mR0GrgFf9sa3q0QNxXe0ggNof9RjezaTw7RbWBKAqg-VvgQnKFZhvW0pgdZDmGBXm9XPe_Cs8w" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img alt="" data-original-height="544" data-original-width="538" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjSabVRdAZny7atEavqTo0akjRPIIuK0-MY10jeY-mPqomZN-5fznYdDnH9L9MiSzjreDg_y9ImF21_J9uJlaF2opEGyfALuFfZKKLDFhwpqTnfsOOu-mR0GrgFf9sa3q0QNxXe0ggNof9RjezaTw7RbWBKAqg-VvgQnKFZhvW0pgdZDmGBXm9XPe_Cs8w" width="237" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Map of Flatbush</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhRfWIux8kqSwan2io7e5WcyEGGDYZ_MOy0PDOpRglxrW1WVgL9JiSXXsgXv8toCD3iy967Lrv25Xubo0g9pkK8jGlKafHYxd8CUrKWPZb2_qnI1u0QDRU1_r2P-1tjgSeRXqowOso7-rI3wTOJdh0E2ZFzeU5zkHBcBci5qGlcl7oVeazKTFtTA9hpz9A" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img alt="" data-original-height="637" data-original-width="1044" height="195" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhRfWIux8kqSwan2io7e5WcyEGGDYZ_MOy0PDOpRglxrW1WVgL9JiSXXsgXv8toCD3iy967Lrv25Xubo0g9pkK8jGlKafHYxd8CUrKWPZb2_qnI1u0QDRU1_r2P-1tjgSeRXqowOso7-rI3wTOJdh0E2ZFzeU5zkHBcBci5qGlcl7oVeazKTFtTA9hpz9A" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Flatbush Church</td></tr></tbody></table></p><p class="p2" style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-size: 13px; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; min-height: 15px;"><br /></p><p class="p1" style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-size: 13px; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px;">The largest battle of the Revolutionary War was the August 1776 Battle of Long Island. On August 22, thousands of British & Hessian troops were landed on Long Island. Cornwallis’ advanced guard pushed inland 6 miles & established an initial camp at Flatbush. It was around this time, apparently, that the original Lefferts House was burned.</p><p class="p2" style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-size: 13px; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; min-height: 15px;"><br /></p><p class="p1" style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-size: 13px; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px;">The Battle of Brooklyn Heights included the current area of Greenwood Cemetery, where there is a high point with vistas as far as New Jersey & upper Manhattan. Friends showed us Cedar Dell, where there are some relocated Dutch graves, some with my ancestral surnames. At that time, I did not know that this cemetery holds the grave of Gertrude Phebe Lefferts Vanderbilt (1824-1902), my 3rd cousin, 5 times removed, of Flatbush. Gertrude was an historian, published author, & social activist. One of her helpful tasks was to inventory the graveyard at Flatbush Dutch Church. And to write a Social History of Flatbush. And to push for education of African-Americans. Gertrude was a granddaughter of Lt. Pieter Lefferts.</p><p class="p2" style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-size: 13px; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; min-height: 15px;"><br /></p><p class="p1" style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-size: 13px; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px;">Gertrude Lefferts married Judge John Vanderbilt (1819-1877). His 2nd great grandmother was Pieternella Wyckoff Vanderbilt (1692-1750), no doubt kin to my Wyckoff ancestors. There was no time on the June 2023 trip to visit the Wyckoff House on Long Island. My 9th great granduncle Pieter Wolfertse Van Kouwenhoven (1614-1689) employed an indentured servant who was ancestral to the Vanderbilts: Jan Arentszen (1627-1704).</p><p class="p2" style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-size: 13px; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; min-height: 15px;"><br /></p><p class="p1" style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-size: 13px; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px;">Garret Wolfertsen Van Couwenhoven (b. 1610) & Aeltje Cornelis Cool, my 9th great grandparents, appear to have been the Most Recent Common Ancestors for myself (Kit A693287 at GEDmatch) & Kit CL6751961. Several kits show true triangulation with these 2 kits on the P-Arm of Chromosome 7. Of those who lists detailed trees on GEDCOM files, Couwenhoven/Conover appears to be the common ancestry. Many of my atDNA cousins who share with me Dutch & French Huguenot ancestries appear to have more than one Most Recent Common Ancestor, so that it is difficult to discern which common ancestor sent down the shared chromosomal segment.</p>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891479513150306283.post-28512723293521865262023-08-13T08:39:00.009-07:002023-08-13T09:00:00.526-07:00DUTCH & FRENCH HUGUENOT ANCESTORS AND KIN ON LONG ISLAND IN THE 1600s <span id="docs-internal-guid-ba4bacfb-7fff-88ef-e6b0-f32ef3eb18da"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.295; margin-bottom: 8pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">In June 2023, I had an opportunity to visit the Brooklyn Museum, to have a distant look at gravestones inside the Flatbush Dutch Reformed Church Cemetery, & to examine relocated Dutch graves at Cedar Dell in Greenwood Cemetery, Brooklyn. Which cemetery was also part of the site of the 1776 Battle of Brooklyn Heights. Flatbush was briefly a headquarters for the invading British, who had assembled the century’s largest armada & landing force to subdue the American colonies. The Dutch graves at Cedar Dell in Greenwood Cemetery contain some of my ancestral surnames, but these date from a century or more following my current interest in my kin of 1600s Long Island. </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.295; margin-bottom: 8pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.295; margin-bottom: 8pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Brooklyn Museum has on display the house once owned by Jan Martense Schenck, my 8</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><span style="font-size: 0.6em; vertical-align: super;">th</span></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> great granduncle. And the house of his grandson Nicholas Schenck (1732-1810). Some years ago, the Jan Martense Schenck House was visited by Hans Zijlstra, who has a yDNA match with several male Schenck-surnamed descendants of Jan, & of his brother Roelof (my ancestor). The Schenck yDNA link with Hans & others is evidence of a link to Friesland & North Holland. Hans’ ancestral village is near a castle of Schenck Van Toutenburg; Hans wrote an article about this connection. I have met with Hans in Amsterdam. </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.295; margin-bottom: 8pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">The “Clan of Schenck” in the Friese Waddenzee yDNA Project has a couple of these yDNA kits: Hans’ kit & the kit of Ray, my Schenck cousin also descending from Roelof. A recent yDNA match with Ray is a descendant of Selick Skank (1817-1846) of Upstate NY. This match is at the 111 STR (Short Tandem Repeat) markers level at Family Tree DNA. To date, I have no information on any advanced DNA testing done on Schenck or related kin. E.g. the Big Y700 test of SNP (Single Nucleotide Polymorphism) & STR markers. </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.295; margin-bottom: 8pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">A separate line of Schenck from the south of the Netherlands is not yDNA kin to my group, but the two lines of Schenck intermarried, creating no doubt a complex autosomal DNA picture. At Cedar Dell in the Greenwood Cemetery is the grave of Maria Schenck, wife of Van Remsen. The inscription is hard to decipher. However, I believe that it is likely that she was a granddaughter of Johannes Schenck (1691-1729) & Maria Lott. This Johannes is alleged in some old histories to have been a cousin of our Roelof & Jan Martense Schenck brothers; the yDNA evidence says otherwise. This Maria Schenck (1743-1772) was reportedly the wife of Rem Aris Van Remsen (1743-1780) who reportedly had Rapalje ancestry, so he was my kin anyway. </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.295; margin-bottom: 8pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">There are several URLs pertaining to Jan Martense Schenck (b. 1631) & how his house came to be in the Brooklyn Museum, & furnished in styles typical of the period. A connection between my Schenck and the pirate William Kidd is reported, as is a mysterious Captain Schenck. Jan had several descendants whose Schenck-surname yDNA kits are inter-matching. </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.295; margin-bottom: 8pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Jan Martense Schenck (b. 1631), Gary’s 8</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><span style="font-size: 0.6em; vertical-align: super;">th</span></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> great granduncle, married Jannetje Stephense Van Voorhees (Gary’s 8</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><span style="font-size: 0.6em; vertical-align: super;">th</span></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> great grandaunt). Their son Stephen Janse Schenck (1686-1767; m. Antje Claes Wyckoff) was the father of Nicholas Schenck (1732-1810; m. Willemtje Wyckoff, 1757) whose house is also on display in the Brooklyn Museum, 4</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><span style="font-size: 0.6em; vertical-align: super;">th</span></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> floor. See Wiki Tree “Schenck-1272” for a brief account of Nicholas. </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.295; margin-bottom: 8pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">At the time of the 1776 invasion of Long Island by the British & their Hessian allies, Nicholas Schenck & family may have been in the vicinity. The predecessor of the current Flatbush Dutch Reformed Church would have been in existence. And the graveyards contained several of my ancestors and kin. The cemetery also contains some non-Dutch graves, including Revolutionary War Patriots. </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.295; margin-bottom: 8pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Battle Hill, now inside Greenwood Cemetery, lies northwest of Flatbush (= Midwout). The views from the top are spectacular. Little wonder that the British sought to control this vantage point, prior to their takeover of New York City. See David McCulloch’s work “1776”, which I heard on CD just prior to the Brooklyn trip (wedding of my grand-niece). </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.295; margin-bottom: 8pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">The Flatbush Cemetery holds the remains of several of my kin. Of particular interest are the grandparents of my 7</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><span style="font-size: 0.6em; vertical-align: super;">th</span></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> great grandmother </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Sarah Van Middleward</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> (b. 1685; m. </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Jan Brokaw</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">): </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Teunis Van Middleswaert & Femmentje “Phoebe” Seals</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">; </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Teunis Gysbert Bogaert & Sarah Rapalje</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">. Four of my 9</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><span style="font-size: 0.6em; vertical-align: super;">th</span></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> great-grandparents. Phoebe & Sarah were in-laws. I have reason to believe that I have an autosomal DNA trace from Phebe, whereby a chromosomal triangulation links multiple people who either were in my line of descent, or were ancestral to people with Vanover ancestry, via Phebe’s daughter Willempie. Willempie had to have been a daughter of Phebe in order for the observed atDNA matches to make sense. </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.295; margin-bottom: 8pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Above-ground marble vaults at the Flatbush Cemetery reportedly include my Van Couwenhovens. The inscriptions have reportedly faded, so getting inside the locked cemetery would probably not have clarified this anyway. </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.295; margin-bottom: 8pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 16pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: left;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEgcFpMqCgK-yGqV2CoftfoTCZ7tcKCeXH0ehOIgNWBC_jp658CwUvi5JkofWUlEuXRgTKoOon_o7WUqri6aOaWntvoc7UmFeMJGZM1L0TwFet9jVp3eBBBv3PDFrwOQ0NlGg-OSj7hjTzUTS4WQTfvnzmFkRioWsnvp4Vs4WCKiA__E-O5xZDz9Y5YYVHg" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img data-original-height="360" data-original-width="480" height="300" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEgcFpMqCgK-yGqV2CoftfoTCZ7tcKCeXH0ehOIgNWBC_jp658CwUvi5JkofWUlEuXRgTKoOon_o7WUqri6aOaWntvoc7UmFeMJGZM1L0TwFet9jVp3eBBBv3PDFrwOQ0NlGg-OSj7hjTzUTS4WQTfvnzmFkRioWsnvp4Vs4WCKiA__E-O5xZDz9Y5YYVHg=w400-h300" title="Nicholas Schenck House" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Nicholas Schenck House<br /><br /></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: left;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEibj97azwk8leHoB-tyM7bZPUdgvQuImj9I6nH9Ds27N18lLeCC4XlRM7Gfhr2VB3XnY6PVrw30i8AnzBN6jRQ79EC62MEwQ8-cu59A3q-bB_OJyukNxp_BOKQCxJt_nKP-8wLDmVvVUqgkQd4yOp1hhZYwYQ2VkQLrDb-06mIE7qpqB8JFY2v1odPk_Is" style="clear: left; 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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #1a1a1a; font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;">Ancestor Margaret
Williamson McCreary (b. 1835, Ohio) was nearly all Dutch, plus she had some
French Huguenot ancestors whose lines migrated through the Netherlands en route
to America. Surnames in her ancestry include Van Voorhees, Schenck, Wyckoff,
Van Ness, Van Den Burchgraeff, De Mandeville, Van Dyke, Brokaw/Broucard,
Bogaert, Willemse, Brouwer/Brewer, Koning, Demarest, De Ruine, Verdon, Van Der
Veer, Seuberinge, Van Nostrand, Van Nortwick, Andries, Van Arsdalen, Hendricks,
Wilms, Van de Raede, & many more. We had only to identify Margaret’s
parents and grandparents in order to connect to multiple ancestries outlined in
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are welcome. Helpful fora include the Schenck Genforum </span><a href="http://genforum.genealogy.com/schenck/"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">http://genforum.genealogy.com/schenck/</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"> and the Mandeville Genforum </span><a href="http://genforum.genealogy.com/mandeville/"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">http://genforum.genealogy.com/mandeville/</span></a></span><span style="color: #1a1a1a; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 13.0pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<!--EndFragment-->Unknownnoreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891479513150306283.post-8573396658003520022019-04-27T08:31:00.003-07:002019-04-27T08:32:34.364-07:00yDNA: SCHENCK-FIVE & TWO NORTHERN NETHERLANDS MATCHESMy 8th great-grandfather Roelof Martense Schenck (b. abt. 1619) & his brother Jan had many descendants in America, including this yDNA inter-matching group: Pete, Paul, Ray, Bob, & Daniel. Ray has a 101 of 111 STR (Short Tandem Repeats) yDNA markers match with Johannes L., whose ancestry tracks back to Noord Scharwoude which lies just northeast of Alkmaar in North Holland. The unknown Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) for Ray versus Johannes L. was unlikely to have lived earlier than 15 generations back from Ray. The unknown father of my Roelof Martense Schenck was 11 generations removed from me. Ray has with Hans Z a 62 of 67 STR markers match. It is difficult to say whether the MRCA Schenck versus Hans Z was before, or after, the MRCA Schenck versus Johannes L. The reported ancestral locations of Hans Z (near Dokkum) versus Johannes L. (near Alkmaar) are about 148 kilometers apart by current roads.<br /><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgXrEd_7_2BcWV1cWX6iMN3lNweZsxeiDKwSS6P5vwRCs4LBziTF-pGccl4jzRcQXHHa48AbYDj__8LjjREs_0WCkR23Pry_k9wuagO5qVataVzkGVl9wCshP17Vl22WJkSq41E9wcea0g/s1600/North+Holland+Canal+north+of+Alkmaar.JPG"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgXrEd_7_2BcWV1cWX6iMN3lNweZsxeiDKwSS6P5vwRCs4LBziTF-pGccl4jzRcQXHHa48AbYDj__8LjjREs_0WCkR23Pry_k9wuagO5qVataVzkGVl9wCshP17Vl22WJkSq41E9wcea0g/s320/North+Holland+Canal+north+of+Alkmaar.JPG" /></a> <br />North Holland Canal north of Alkmaar <br /><br />In the Friese Wadden yDNA Project at <a href="http://www.familytreedna.com/public/friesewadden?iframe=ycolorized">www.familytreedna.com/public/friesewadden?iframe=ycolorized</a> the “Clan of Schenck” shows the kits of Ray & Hans Z. Note than Hans has tested his Haplogroup R1b SNP (Single Nucleotide Polymorphism) phylogenetic tree sequence down to U198. “Downstream” (later mutating) markers could be further tested in any of our male Schencks, or close yDNA kin, down to a Terminal SNP. <a href="http://meekdna.com/U198dna/P1_U198.html">http://meekdna.com/U198dna/P1_U198.html</a><br /><a href="https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-U198/">https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-U198/</a> Downstream from DF89 is suspected.<br /><br /><br />Various historical records turn up Schenck people in Friesland, & it is likely that some were totally unrelated to Schenck Van Toutenburg or Schenck Van Nydeggen. For example, in the Open Archives NL records for Leeuwarden Friesland, people who are clearly Schenck Van Toutenburg are so indicated. So, who was Melchior Schenck Van Lubeek of 1561? Kin to Van Toutenburg, or not? And/or kin to Schenck people known to have lived in northern Germany?<br /><br /><br />Some Schenck-of-Netherlands who went to America are not DNA kin to my Schenck-of-Flatlands Long Island line. Roelof’s purported cousin Johannes Schenck (b. 1656; Schenck-of-Bushwick L.I.) has yDNA descendants, the “Schenck-Two”, who are not yDNA matches with the Schenck-Five Plus Hans Z & Johannes L group. Keep in mind the possibility of Non-Paternity Events down a line. I think, however, that these two Long Island Schenck families were in fact never kin, although their descendants intermarried, & this may potentially create some autosomal DNA puzzles.<br /><br /><br />There is a stand-alone story (a family “tradition”, with no documentary support) of some Sir Roelof Schenck, son of Admiral Van Schenck, who was not the same guy as my Roelof. At least a generation separated the two Roelofs. Roelof (Rudolf) is a given name seen more in the north of the Netherlands, never in Schenck Van Nydeggen (Limburg & vicinity) records. A 1670 painting of New Netherland was done by some Peter/Pieter Schenk, a person unknown to me. Kin or not?<br /><br /><br />The above legend of Sir Roelof Schenck links him to Henry Hudson. Which reminds me of the blog note by Hans Z “Frieses in the Wake of Hudson”, about Frieslanders who were early migrants to New Netherland. <a href="http://www.hvnf.nl/2009/02/friezen-in-het-kielzog-van-hudson/">www.hvnf.nl/2009/02/friezen-in-het-kielzog-van-hudson/</a><br /><br /><br />The Blog of the Historical Society of Northeast Friesland:<br /><a href="http://sneuperdokkum.blogspot.com/">http://sneuperdokkum.blogspot.com/</a> Hans’ article on his yDNA connection to Schenck: <a href="https://sneuperdokkum.blogspot.com/search?q=Schenck">https://sneuperdokkum.blogspot.com/search?q=Schenck</a><br /><br /><br /><br />SCHENCK AUTOSOMAL DNA<br /><br /><br />My autosomal DNA matches include several people who descend from Roelof, most in known ways. I also have other lines of Dutch ancestry, & am particularly interested in those with North Holland roots, given my Schenck cousins’ yDNA match with Johannes L who has ancestry near Alkmaar. Broek op Langedijk is interesting: Perhaps near a one-time location of my distant genetic kin, & not far from the Angela Esmee boat-and-bike tour route followed by my wife Kathryn & myself a few years ago. At the end of the tour, we were met by Hans Z in Amsterdam.<br /><br /><br /><br />My 7th Great-grandmother Mayke Roelofse Schenck (b. 1683; m. Jan Lucassen Van Voorhees) had several sibs, & half-sibs by the first wife of Mayke’s father Roelof Martense Schenck (b. 1619?). Among my several Schenck autosomal DNA (atDNA) matches, descendants of Mayke’s half-brothers Gerret Roelofse Schenck (b. 1671) & Jan Roelofse Schenck (b. 1670) have been particularly fruitful. The atDNA results appear in databases at Family Tree DNA, AncestryDNA, &/or the publically viewable <a href="http://www.gedmatch.com/">www.gedmatch.com</a> Several apparent descendants of Jan Roelofse Schenck (b. 1670; m. Sara Van Kouwenhoven) have with me sizable shared chromosomal segments on Chromosome 6. At GEDmatch, go to either the original format or the new Genesis format. My kits are A693287 (from AncestryDNA) & T203534 (from FTDNA). My Chromosome 6 matches who descend from Jan include T230807. People who match both him & me print out to about a page. Several of those kits triangulate at the same Chromosome 6 shared segment. Some matches exceed 24 centiMorgans, a nice big chunk for that far a generational reach. Jan & Sara were ancestral to a lot of people, some famous. They reportedly had 54 grandkids. See<a href="http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Schenck-Descendants-215">www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Schenck-Descendants-215</a> I think that actor Lee Van Cleef was my 8th cousin, once removed. Chromosome 6 is not the only place where my atDNA cousins descending from Jan code. On Chromosome 16, I have a small 6.9 cM shared segment with a descendant of Jan’s son Jan Janse Schenck (b. 1722; m. Neeltje Bennett). Leading down to Leah Schenck (m. Peter Shanks) & beyond. Jan Roelofse Schenck (b. 1670) was also the ancestor of the newest member of the Schenck-Five yDNA group, who is Gary’s 8th cousin once removed.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891479513150306283.post-7148453847136856012019-04-02T10:54:00.000-07:002019-11-29T10:57:54.330-08:00VAN MIDDLESWARD, BROKAW, VAN VOORHEES, & VANOVERGary’s 7th great-grandparents include Sarah Teunis Van Middlesward/Middlesworth & Jan Brokaw, who were married in 1704 in Somerset County New Jersey. This couple are one set of Most Recent Common Ancestors for myself versus DG in the Ancestry.com tree of bossbb96, & may account for the atDNA 24 centiMorgans shared chromosomal segment. Two Van Middlesworth brothers of Sarah were executor & witness, respectively, of the 1719/20 will of Cornelius Vanover Jr. (= Van Houwegem). The will abstract may be accessed via <a href="https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Van_Houwegem-1">https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Van_Houwegem-1</a> Information on Cornelius Vanover III is at <a href="https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Vanover-11">https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Vanover-11</a> Marretje Buys, the wife of Cornelius III may have been a cousin of our Sarah. Starting at Cornelius Vanover IV on down there is a divergence whereby several descendants have with me autosomal DNA matches, &/or are otherwise persons known to me. Cornelius IV: <a href="https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Vanover-10">https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Vanover-10</a><br />
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Cornelius Vanover V was a reported ancestor of Darlene, who is a cousin via another way to one of my daughters-in-law. Cornelius Vanover VI is the route down to some of my atDNA matches at Family Tree DNA. Richard Vanover (b. 1776), brother of Cornelius V, was ancestor to more of my atDNA matches, including (1) Mark, whose Vanover yDNA is known; & (2) GEDmatch kit # T074840 whose atDNA Chromosome 9 shared segment with me triangulates with several other people. Included in the Chromo 9 triangulation is Kit # M883609 who is also known to have Vanover ancestry. And Kit # A107023, whose ancestry includes Van Voorhees. And a Chromo 9 shared segment at FTDNA, not sent to GEDmatch, but who also has Vanover ancestry.<br />
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My Jan Brokaw & Sarah Van Middlesward had a daughter Marytje Brokaw who married Petrus Van Voorhees. These latter two appear on Page 73 of “The Van Voorhees Family In America: The First Six Generations”. Marytje’s & Petrus’ son Stephen Petrus Voorhees (m. Margareta Hendrickse Van Dyke) as my 5th great-grandfather, is captured by Thru Lines at AncestryDNA. More atDNA matches.<br />
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The Vanover yDNA Project results are at <a href="https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Vanover/default.aspx?section=yresults">https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Vanover/default.aspx?section=yresults</a> Haplogroup R1b, tested to SNP (Single Nucleotide Polymorphism) marker L21+ (Atlantic Celt). I think that one of the displayed kits is Mark, with whom I have a Chromosome 1 = 14.99 cM shared segment at FTDNA.<br />
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The Conewago Dutch Colony in Pennsylvania was home to a large number of my Dutch & French Huguenot kin, including ancestors of my second great grandmother Margaret Williamson McCreary. <a href="https://www.cayugagenealogy.org/church/conewago.htm">https://www.cayugagenealogy.org/church/conewago.htm</a> but it appears that my ancestors had parted ways by then with their Vanover cousins. More on Vanover: <a href="http://www.family-genealogy-online.com/Jewell/vanover.html">http://www.family-genealogy-online.com/Jewell/vanover.html</a><br />
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In 1779, British Ranger Lt. Col. Simcoe burned the Raritan Dutch Reformed Church (built in 1709), where many of my Dutch kin had attended. I didn’t much like his character in the TV series <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn:_Washington%27s_Spies">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn:_Washington%27s_Spies</a> <br />
<a href="https://urcsomerville.org/index.php/about-us/our-history">https://urcsomerville.org/index.php/about-us/our-history</a><br />
I’m liking Simcoe even less now. A convincing villain.<br />
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The original Raritan Church was already in existence by the time of the 1720 death nearby of Bourgon Broucard, my 8th great-grandfather. Bourgon was father of my Jan Brokaw (m. Sarah Teunis Van Middlesward) & also of Abraham Brokaw, ancestor of my atDNA match bb1645 at AncestryDNA. A few years ago I saw the Walloon Church in Amsterdam, likely briefly attended by the Broucard/Brokaw family. See <a href="https://www.geni.com/people/Bourgon-Broucard/6000000001322009858">https://www.geni.com/people/Bourgon-Broucard/6000000001322009858</a> & search for 8th great granny Sarah Teunis Van Middlesward.<br />
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<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891479513150306283.post-3780533588630090822016-04-03T16:39:00.001-07:002016-04-03T16:39:40.051-07:00DEMAREST ANCESTRY<div class="p1">
<span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">French Huguenot ancestor David Demarest was born in 1620, married in Zeeland Province Netherlands, & settled in Bergen County, New Jersey.</span><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"> </span><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">His son Jean was our ancestor. A Demarest descendant has provided a yDNA sample which falls into Haplogroup J1. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M267 </span><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: inherit;">Here is the Demarest House Museum, with some of the Demarest history: www.bergencountyhistory.org/Pages/demaresthse.html In the past there has been a Demarest Family Association, but this does not appear to be currently active. In view of the impressive track-record of genetic genealogy regarding major modifications (and myth-debunking) of several traditional accounts of genealogy and history, one should be very cautious about acceptance of reports of Demarest deep ancestry, crusades, links to royalty, etc. Non-Paternity Events might occur at about 2% per generation. Reports tying our David Demarest to Baldwin I Des Marets (1074 - 1140) “Ain’t necessarily so”.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: inherit;">Jean Demarest (b. 1645) & Jacquemine DeRuine were Gary’s 7th great-grandparents. Some people also descending from this Jean Demarest are among Gary’s autosomal DNA matches in the Family Tree DNA database. There appears to be no other ancestry which can account for these atDNA matches other than Demarest, despite the very long generational reach. The total of chromosomal shared segments with each of these matching persons suggests that common ancestries more recent, so a quest will continue for alternate explanations. Generally, I have noted substantial cousins’ intermarriages among my Dutch/French Huguenot kinfolk, which might extend the reach of atDNA. Demarest connections to my Van Voorhees kin are quite extensive.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: inherit;">In Gary’s Muffley tree, Jean Demarest is at http://person.ancestry.com/tree/64174501/person/32528171900/facts My descent from Jean Demarest is à Leah Jansen Demarest (b. 1682; m. Abraham Pieterse Brouwer) à Daniel Brouwer Sr. (b. 1719; m. Marijtje "Mary" Koning) à Daniel Brewer Jr. (b. 1768; m. Maria "Mary" Voorhees) à Christiana "Tina" Brewer (b. 1798; m. Johannes "John" Williamson) à Margaret Williamson (b. 1835; m. John Skinner McCreary) à Emma Jane McCreary (b. 1862; m. Joseph Pierce Muffley) à Albert Harold "Bert" Muffley (b. 1885; m. Edna Una Jagger) à Robert Pierce Muffley (b. 1911; m. Frances Christine Lindstrom) à Gary.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: inherit;">Jean Demarest is in this Novak-Tuschman tree: http://person.ancestry.com/tree/48882514/person/12941923407/facts Gary’s atDNA matches include this tree author and 3 other people who report Demarest ancestry. These are among 11 people who match Gary on Chromosome 9. Most of these people do not report enough ancestral information to be able to integrate the overall picture. The graphing tool from https://dnagen.net/ places these Chromosome 9 matches into 3 clusters, and adds to each cluster some people who are Gary’s matches via other chromosomes. Our working assumption is that these 3 groups of people represent the largest groups of Gary’s Dutch/French Huguenot cousins to date in the FTDNA database. Bogart ancestry also enters into this mix. A brother of Leah Jansen Demarest Brouwer was Peter Demarest (b. 1683). Peter was the ancestor of Gary’s Australian correspondent Greg.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: inherit;">This site https://sites.google.com/site/adambrouwerdna/pedigrees reports on the yDNA of my ancestor Adam Brouwer (b. 1620). Search at this site for Kits # 30185 & 55150, who have provided Brouwer yDNA samples. These guys also descend from Leah Demerest Brouwer. Autosomal DNA from either, or both, of these men should match me, barring chromosomal shared-segment dropout. </span></div>
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My autosomal DNA has now been tested in 2 labs. One of the labs provides the crucial chromosome data, but the other does not. Data from all major labs may be quickly & easily sent to<a href="http://www.gedmatch.com/"><span class="s2">www.gedmatch.com</span></a> for utilization of a wealth of investigative tools, including the vital chromosome location analyses. Click at the sending lab to create zip files, & click at GEDmatch to load. Done in minutes. My Cousin Aaron is my Dutch cousin via paper trail, but is my atDNA cousin via joint Swedish ancestry. To ignore the chromosome data is to risk erroneous conclusions. </div>
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<span class="s1">I now have a sizable number of atDNA matches in 2 databases where the common ancestries are Dutch &/or French Huguenot, & where the Most Recent Common Ancestors (MRCAs) reach back to the 1600s. For the MRCAs David Demarest Sr. (b. abt. 1620, France) & Marie Sohier: Cousins Rohn, Barbara, & John F. My atDNA match with John F. is on Chromosome 9. I descend from Jean Demarest (b. 1645), son of David & Marie. Jean’s brother Samuel is the ancestor of Barbara. Jean’s brother David Jr. (b. 1651, Zeeland) is the ancestor of Rohn & John F. David Jr. was also the ancestor of Rev. David D. Demarest, author of the 1885 paper “The Huguenots on the Hackensack”.</span></div>
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<span class="s1">Jean Demarest (b. 1645) & Jacquemine DeRuine were the MRCAs for me versus the Chromosome 9 Tuschmann-Novak group, who also jointly match John F. on Chromo 9. I descend from Leah Demarest Brouwer, daughter of Jean & Jacquemine. My atDNA matches at this generational level descend from Leah’s brother Peter.</span></div>
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<span class="s1">My ancestors Leah Demarest (b. 1682, Hackensack N.J.) & Abraham Pieterse Brower were the MRCAs for me versus R. D. (admin. By slh1441 at AncestryDNA). My ancestor Daniel A. Brouwer/Brewer Sr. (b. 1719) was a son of Leah & Abraham. Daniel’s sister Rachel Brouwer Banta was the ancestor of Cousin R.D.</span></div>
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<span class="s1">My ancestor Daniel Brewer Jr. (b. 1768) married Maria/Mary Voorhees. Although I do not have the atDNA data, Daniel & Mary were the paper-trail MRCAs for me versus the Brewer-surnamed man whose yDNA Kit # 55150 is Haplogroup E1b1b1 in a group of descendants of Pieter Adamsz Brouwer (b. 1646; d. 1700 Hackensack). My ancestor Christina “Tina” Brewer (b. 1798) was a daughter of Daniel & Mary. Tina’s brother Daniel III (b. 1805) & wife Eleanor McVay were the ancestors of Mr. Brewer of yDNA Kit # 55150.</span></div>
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<span class="s1">My ancestor Christina “Tina” Brewer (b. 1798, Mercer County, Kentucky) married Johannes/John Williamson (b. 1790, Dutch Conewago Colony, Pennsylvania). Tina & John were the MRCAs for me versus Cousin Lowell B. My second great-grandmother Margaret Williamson McCreary (b. 1835) was a daughter of Tina & John. Margaret’s Sister Jane Williamson Moore was the ancestor of Lowell.</span></div>
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<span class="s1">The total shared chromosomes for Lowell & me represent the entirety of my Dutch plus Huguenot ancestries. Chromosome 9 Demarest, & others. Quite literally, this would be the atDNA master-key to all of these ancestries which still have detectible genetic traces. There could be shared chromosomal segments representing these ancestries, in addition to Demarest, Brouwer/Brewer, & Koning: Van Dyke (2 ways), Van Voorhees, & Williamson/Willemse. There are some hints that I might have Van Dyke traces. Progress on the Willemse line would be welcome, as knowledge on this ancestry is limited. For those with access to Ancestry.com, my Dutch & Huguenot ancestries appear at <a href="http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/64174501/family"><span class="s2">http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/64174501/family</span></a></span></div>
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Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891479513150306283.post-28039871240219431172016-04-02T16:34:00.000-07:002019-03-06T16:35:50.630-08:00DEMAREST DNA AND HISTORYIn the Demarest yDNA Project, Haplogroup J1, at www.familytreedna.com/public/Demarest/default.aspx?section=ycolorized there are 2 kits from descendants of David Demarest (b. 1620, Picardy): 351905 & 284329. These were tested out to 111 STR (Short Tandem Repeats) markers, thus a high resolution test. The match between the 2 kits is 108 of 111. One of the kits further tested SNP (Single Nucleotide Polymorphism) markers out to BY163094. Currently, this Terminal-SNP is 9 markers “downstream” (later mutating) from P58 (Levant & Arabia). See www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J1_Y-DNA.shtml under P58.<br />
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Regarding the legendary descent of our David Demarest (b. 1620) from Baldwin I des Marets (1074-1140): Was there a Levantine Non-Paternity Event down the Demarest line during the Crusades? David’s Haplogroup J1 findings are Levantine, not European.<br />
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See www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/2170574-the-patricians-baldwin-ii-des-marets-1074-1140-lord-des-marets-pa<br />
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And https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_II_of_Jerusalem<br />
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Going back to the Demarest yDNA Project, we see that the same Demarest Terminal-SNP BY163094 also applies to 2 Ellsworth descendants, who are close STR matches with the Demarest guys. The Ellsworth guys also sent their data to the J-Levites yDNA Project at www.familytreedna.com/public/J-Levites?iframe=ycolorized which is meant for Haplogroup J men with an oral tradition of Levite ancestry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levite<br />
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On autosomal DNA: My several Chromosome 9 matches with Demarest Ancestry continue to serve as reference points for this ancestry. E.g., my 7th great-grandfather Jean Demarest (b. 1645; m. Jacquemine DeRuine) was the Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) for myself versus the Novak group at Family Tree DNA. 22.38 centiMorgans shared on Chromo 9. A small part of this shared segment is also shared by a Fisher guy, with whom my MRCA is one more generation removed: David Demarest (b. 1620; m. Marie Sohier).<br />
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My 6th great-grandmother Leah Jansen Demarest (b. 1682, Hackensack) married Abraham Pieterse Brouwer (yDNA Haplogroup E) on March 29, 1700, Hackensack, Bergen County, New Jersey. Leah’s Grandpa David’s place: www.bergencountyhistory.org/Pages/demaresthse.html I think that Samuel Demarest mentioned here was Leah’s uncle, & an ancestor of more of my atDNA matches.<br />
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“The French element was so speedily absorbed by the surrounding Dutch, that not a few of the numerous descendants of the Huguenot pioneers, from whom the farms they occupy have come down in unbroken descent through seven or eight generations, verily believe that they are of pure Holland stock, and the story of their French origin is to them a new revelation”. From “The Huguenots on the Hackensack”, by David D. Demarest, 1886. This David was a 6th cousin of my Great-grandmother Emma Jane McCreary Muffley. The Demarest land between the Hackensack & Hudson rivers was purchased from Mendawasey, Sachem of the Tappan Indians, 1677.<br />
<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891479513150306283.post-82678689894697083012016-02-14T17:06:00.001-08:002016-02-14T17:06:44.515-08:00SCHENCK IN THE NETHERLANDS<!--StartFragment-->
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ancestor Roelof Martense Schenck (b. 1619) are many, and there is a vast amount
of information found on the Internet and elsewhere about the American part of
the line. Roelof Schenck and his siblings Jan and Annetje migrated to the Dutch
colonies in America in 1650. Roelof was said to have been born (1619) in Amersfoort,
Utrecht Province. There are many people (now and in centuries past) who link
our Roelof’s ancestry to the aristocratic line of Schenck Van Nydeggen, despite
the lack of evidence (e.g. church records). The case against this assumption: </span><a href="http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/1998-01/0885241193"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/1998-01/0885241193</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"> My correspondent Pete Schenck has provided me
with pdf images of the April 1937 issue of “The New York Genealogical and
Biographical Record”, which forms the basis of this note.</span></span></div>
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difficult and thankless, even an almost hopeless task, to convince the average
amateur genealogist that it would he better to give up a long cherished belief
in a descent from distinguished, preferably noble, forbears when it has been
proven that the pedigree cannot stand close investigation.” In other
genealogical research, I have encountered instances where long-standing and
widely believed views are just wrong. And good luck trying to get a
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father of our Roelof Martense Schenck, was said to have been married at
Amersfoort about 1618 to Maria Margaretha De Boeckhorst. My microfilm search
failed to locate a record of this marriage. This microfilm was FHL INTL Film
543971, Dutch Reformed Church records for Amersfoort, 1583-1624. “Fiches
collectie van trouwen in de Nederlands Hervormde Kerk: Fiches Trouwen
1583-1624”. The only Schenck marriage on this entire microfilm was for Matijs
Christoffel Schenck, 28 February, 1617. The name of his wife is a bit unclear,
but she came from nearby Soest. The microfilm listed several men with the given
name Roelof, which is reportedly found more in areas associated with Schenck
Van Toutenburg, but not in Limburg, ground zero for Schenck Van Nydeggen.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">Dutch practices of naming
kids varied, but the most common practice was for a first son to be named after
the paternal grandfather, a second son to be named after the maternal
grandfather, a third son to be named after the father’s paternal grandfather,
and so on down through 6 sons and 6 daughters. If Roelof Martense Schenck and
first wife Neeltje Gerretse Van Kouwenhoven followed this practice, let us look
at what the ancestral names should have been. First son Jan. Second son Martin.
Third son Garret. Well, it looks like Roelof and Neeltje varied the pattern a
bit. It looks like Garret was named after Neeltje’s father. Martin was
presumably named after Roelof’s father. Who was Jan named after? Roelof had a
brother Jan and a first son named Jan (died as a child). Who was Jan in
Roelof’s ancestry? And why did Roelof have no descendant named Pieter (his
alleged grandfather)? Look at this pattern of descent: Marten Schenck
(father of Roelof and Jan) – Jan Martense Schenck – Martin Janse Schenck – John
Schenck – Martin Schenck, etc.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">Some Jan Janssen Schenck
was baptized on November 27, 1645, at Wijk bij Duurstede, which lies just south
of Amersfoort, Utrecht Province. The Jan Schenck who was father to this guy
would have been a contemporary of our Roelof Martense Schenck. Roelof allegedly
lived in Amersfoort from 1630 to 1650. Wijk bij Duurstede was quite rich
in the surname Van Scherpenzeel, and was also associated with Utrecht Catholic
Archbishop Fredrik Schenck Van Toutenburg (d. 1580).</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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that Roelof’s grandfather was Pieter Schenck Van Nydeggen (b. 1547, Goch,
Germany). Pieter reportedly married Johanna Van Scherpenzeel in 1580 in
Doesburg, Gelderland. This marriage does not appear to be in the online Gelders
archives records. </span><a href="http://www.geldersarchief.nl/"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">www.geldersarchief.nl</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"> Pieter was said to have died at Doesburg. In
April, 2012, I had a private tour of the Martinikerk in Doesburg. My guide was
a Doesburg man who researches burials there. A fairly complete 1937 inventory
of burials listed no Schenck. My guide said that Judge Van Scherpenzeel was a
Doesburg name known to him. This was possibly Johann (the reported father of
Johanna Van Scherpenzeel), who was said to have been a judge. Further, Pieter’s
sister Maria Margrieta Schenck Van Nijdeggen Voorst appears in 1614 online
records in connection with Doesburg. My Doesburg guide suggested that I look
further south for the Schenck Van Nydeggen surname. </span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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data, the Gelderland archives at Arnhem may have unpublicized family folders, I
was told by my guide at Doesburg. There was no time on this holiday for
archives work. Archives at The Hague may also have pertinent information, he
said.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">A Schenck correspondent
who lives in Limburg Province, Netherlands, thinks that our Roelof may have
instead descended from the Schenck Van Toutenburg line. Particular given names
in Dutch families tend to recur. The name Roelof is unknown among the Schenck
Van Nydeggen line, and is indeed unusual in the south of the Netherlands where
many Schenck Van Nydeggen lived (especially Limburg Province). The given name
Roelof occurs more often in the middle of the Netherlands, in regions where
Schenck Van Toutenburg lived. An up-to-date summary of Schenck Van Nydeggen: </span><a href="http://www.genbronnen.nl/genealogie/schenck-van-nydeggen/deel-I.html"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">www.genbronnen.nl/genealogie/schenck-van-nydeggen/deel-I.html</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"> I encountered the given name Roelof several
times on that microfilm of Amersfoort marriages. </span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">Online Utrecht archives
data have multiple references to both Schenck Van Nydeggen and Schenck Van
Toutenburg. Around the time of Roelof’s reported birth at Amersfoort,
there were some Schenck and several Scherpenzeel persons on Dutch Reformed Church
records (on DVD from </span><a href="http://www.dutchgenealogy.com/"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">www.DutchGenealogy.com</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">) at Wijk bij Duurstede, which lies south of
Amersfoort and southeast of Utrecht. There are Schenck persons living in that
village today. They could descend from either aristocratic line, or other lines
altogether. The Bishops of Utrecht held Duurstede Castle </span><a href="http://www.castles.nl/duur/duur.html"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">www.castles.nl/duur/duur.html</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"> including Archbishop Frederik Schenck Van
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of Emmerijck married Beeligje Meussen in Wijk bij Duurstede on September 20,
1618, the year before our ancestor Roelof was reportedly (where is the evidence
for that?) born at nearby Amersfoort. Over 3 decades prior to this wedding, a
Berndt Schenck Van Nijdeggen was described as a cousin of Peter/Pieter Schenck
Van Nydeggen (b. 1547, Goch). In order to secure Maarten Schenck Van Nydeggen’s
release from captivity, hostages were part of a complex deal. Hostages included
Maarten’s brother Peter, and cousins Berndt Schenck Van Nijdeggen and “Johann
Van Cleet” (Cleef?). This was reported on page 19 of “The Rev. William Schenck:
His ancestors and descendants”. I don’t know where that book author got the
name of the earlier Berndt Schenck Van Nijdeggen, but I’ll bet that the author
was unaware of the existence of the later Berndt Schenck Van Nijdeggen. So, we
have a Berndt allegedly a cousin of Pieter, and a Berndt showing up near
Amersfoort just prior to the reported birth of Roelof. Interesting. </span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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limbo forever? I don’t think so, but it will require some enthusiasm for yDNA
testing among Schenck-surnamed men of probable Dutch origin in America, in
North Limburg (plus the Nijmegen area, rich in the Schenck surname in 1947),
and Schenck whose ancestors came from Schenck Van Toutenburg areas (Gelderland,
Utrecht, and Overijssel). It will take several high-resolution STR yDNA
samples to be able to triangulate on number of generations to Most Recent
Common Ancestors, arrive at meaningful groupings of lineages, and tease out
Non-Paternal Events (e.g. adoptions). Deep ancestry would also prove
interesting. I don’t mean to imply that yDNA can give us answers to all the
particular questions we might have about the ancestry. But, I do think it is
possible to prove or disprove genetic kinship among the Dutch Schenck groups,
and descendants of the Schenck men who settled in New Netherlands in the 1600s.
It is hoped that eventually there will be yDNA profiles available from both of
these aristocratic Schenck lines, as well as non-Dutch lines. A few years ago
there was no Clan Donald DNA Project; today the project is huge. The same could
be done for Schenck.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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mapping at various time periods have shown some degree of stability over time.
The book “Surnames, DNA, and Family History” outlines the case for this in
England. Cleves district Germany & Limburg Province Netherlands were
two main centers for Schenck Van Nydeggen. Cleves: Goch, Gaesdonck Monastery,
Walbeck Castle, Schenckenshans Fortress, Wachtendonk, and Emmerich. Limburg:
Afferden, Bleijenbeek Castle, a castle at Venlo, Sevenum, and Castle
Hillenraad.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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centuries during which North Limburg Province and neighboring parts of Germany
and Netherlands were ground-zero for Schenck Van Nydeggen, many
Schenck-surnamed males now living in this vicinity would seem to stand a good
chance of being linked via yDNA to Schenck Van Nydeggen. Currently, New Jersey
and Delaware have relatively high concentrations of the Schenck surname.
Undoubtedly, many of these persons descend from Dutch Schenck people who
appeared in the 1600s in future New York State. There is a New York State DNA
project which includes the surname Schenck, but as of mid-2012 the Schenck samples
were autosomal DNA, not yDNA. Autosomal DNA can help spot genetic cousins with
the Most Recent Common Ancestor only about 5 generations back. We need
Schenck-surname high-resolution (67 STR markers or more) yDNA to track the male
line back indefinitely in time. The Netherlands Y DNA Project </span><a href="http://www.familytreedna.com/public/NetherlandsY"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">www.familytreedna.com/public/NetherlandsY</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"> and joint Netherlands yDNA and mtDNA project </span><a href="http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Netherlands/default.aspx"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">www.familytreedna.com/public/Netherlands/default.aspx</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"> are in need of Schenck samples. Currently
(Winter 2012), Family Tree DNA has 4 Schenck yDNA samples, but the ancestry of
the donors is not public. Two of the 4 samples had a common ancestor
several generations ago, and these samples fall into Haplogroup R1b, which is
quite common in Western Europe.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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Projects yDNA results page </span><a href="http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Netherlands/default.aspx?section=yresults"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">www.familytreedna.com/public/Netherlands/default.aspx?section=yresults</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"> happens to include samples from
descendants of my ancestor Adam Brouwer (1620-1692). His haplogroup and
subclade: E1b1b1a1b; shorthand is E-V13. See </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b1a_(Y-DNA)#E1b1b1a1b_.28E-V13.29"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b1a_(Y-DNA)#E1b1b1a1b_.28E-V13.29</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"> and</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">where my ancestors Daniel
and Mary Van Voorhees Brewer appear. Family Tree DNA Kit # 55150 came from a
distant Brewer cousin of mine, a descendant of Daniel Brewer who married Mary
Van Voorhees, Butler Co. Ohio. These were the parents of Tina Brewer Williamson
(mother of Margaret Williamson McCreary).</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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The “Clan Schenck” yDNA cluster at the Friese Wadden yDNA Project consists so far of the matching data from a descendant of my ancestor Marten Schenck (NOT Sir Maarten Schenck Van Nydeggen), and from Hans, a descendant of Marten’s really close yDNA kinsman Geert Jochums. The yDNA group “Schenck-Four plus Hans” consists of Pete, Paul, Ray, Robert, & Hans.</div>
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In the Friese Wadden Project, Hans’ data is Kit # N27042. Ray’s data is Kit # B5237. This group is Haplogroup R1b, positive on SNP (Single Nucleotide Polymorphism) marker U198 (tested in Hans). Ray’s data also appears in the Netherlands Dual DNA project at <a href="http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Netherlands/default.aspx?section=yresults"><span class="s1">www.familytreedna.com/public/Netherlands/default.aspx?section=yresults</span></a><span class="s1"> </span>Paul’s Kit # is 172264. Bob Schenck is another of our yDNA match group. He is President of the Holland Society of New York. <a href="http://www.hollandsociety.com/index1.html"><span class="s1">www.hollandsociety.com/index1.html</span></a> Roelof Martense Schenck was the father of Gerret Roelofse Schenck (b. 1671), who was the common ancestor of Bob, Ray, Paul Edgar, as well as many others who do not carry down the yDNA.</div>
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Hans’ ancestor Geert Jochums was born about 1650 at the village of Ee, near Dokkum Friesland. In 1650, the siblings Roelof (Rudolf) Martense Schenck, Jan Martense Schenck, and Annetje Martense Schenck migrated from the Netherlands to America. One wonders if they were aware that they had close biological kin near Dokkum, Friesland. That vicinity then included the aristocratic line of Schenck Van Toutenburg, as well as some commoners with the surname Schenck (and spelling variants). Toutenburg castles were once found in Germany, Vollenhove Overijssel, and just east of Leeuwarden Friesland. I doubt that there were any commoner Schenck near Dokkum prior to the early 1500s arrival nearby of Friesland Governor Georg Schenck Van Toutenburg (b. 1485), who was known to have had kids out of wedlock in Friesland.<a href="http://www.stinseninfriesland.nl/Toutenburg.htm"><span class="s1">www.stinseninfriesland.nl/Toutenburg.htm</span></a> My thanks to Hans for this link.</div>
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Recall that there is exactly zero original documentary evidence linking Dutch Schenck-of-America and Schenck Van Nydeggen. The given name Roelof has never been known to occur in the Schenck Van Nydeggen line, but the equivalent Rudolf was a recurring name in the Schenck Van Toutenburg line. Hans, descendant of Roelof’s yDNA close kinsman Geert Jochums, wrote about his possible connection to Schenck Van Toutenburg in the blog of the Historical Society of Northeast Friesland.<a href="http://sneuperdokkum.blogspot.com/"><span class="s1">http://sneuperdokkum.blogspot.com/</span></a> Search for Schenck. Hans’ article has a photo of himself at the Brooklyn Museum’s Jan Martense Schenck home.</div>
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Pete, a descendant of Jan Martense Schenck, has a 63 of 67 STR (Short Tandem Repeats) yDNA markers match with Hans. Pete’s yDNA matches with descendants of Jan’s brother Roelof (my ancestor) have similarly close matches to Hans. I doubt that the Most Recent Common Ancestor between the Schenck group & Hans lived much earlier than Marten Schenck, father of Jan and Roelof. Nothing earlier than the 1500s, I’d say. Virtually nothing is known about this Martin, despite the multitude of claims, all without firm bases. </div>
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See <a href="http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/1998-01/0885241193"><span class="s1">http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/1998-01/0885241193</span></a> for a critique of the astounding conclusions despite a lack of evidence. I am reminded of several other genealogical investigations which have uncovered honest mistaken impressions, errors based upon weak research, wishful fantasy, and in one instance for another of my ancestries a famous genealogical hoax. All of the Schenck histories claiming the Van Nydeggen link are based upon the original flawed assumption. Don’t show me any more of the histories. I have plenty. Show me the evidence.</div>
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My ancestor Annetje Pieterse Wyckoff was the second wife of Roelof Martense Schenck. These were my 8<span class="s2">th</span> great-grandparents. Roelof’s first wife Neeltje Gerretse Van Couwenhoven was the ancestor of the majority of my several Schenck correspondents. A flurry of communications followed our meeting with Hans in Amsterdam on June 6, 2015. My wife Kathryn and I had just completed a boat and bike tour of North Holland. Hans met us at our boat “<i>Angela Esmee</i>”. Like Hans, the ancestor of Wibo Boswijk was also Geert Jochums. Wibo is a co-administrator of the Friese Wadden yDNA Project.</div>
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had bicycling, tulip, and ancestral adventures in the Netherlands in late April
and early May, 2012. Lara arrived in Amsterdam half-way through Gary’s 9 ½ days
stay. Schenck ancestry got most of the attention, with visits to some De
Mandeville sites. No time was left for Van Voorhees, Van Ness, or other
ancestries. Schenck Van Nydeggen sites visited: Amersfoort, Doesburg,
Schenckenshans Fortress site (Germany), Nijmegen, Afferden, Bleijenbeek Castle,
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Schenck Van Nydeggen histories claim descent from the earlier Dutch Schenck Van
Toutenburg people. However, Schenck Van Toutenburg histories do not mention a
link with Schenck Van Nydeggen. Indeed, Schenck Van Toutenburg reportedly arose
in East Prussia, and they lived in Thüringen and Bavaria prior to entry into
the current Netherlands, after the Schenck Van Nydeggen were well established
there. The events now described follow the Schenck Van Nydeggen version of history.
Schenck Van Nydeggen might not even be my ancestry, but let us follow this
interesting history anyway.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif; font-size: small;">Built for Emperor Frederick Barbarosa (r. 1152-1190), </span><br />
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800-814) particularly liked his palace at Nijmegen. His descendants had a
presence at Valkhof Castle here. Clove de Witte, Baron Van Toutenburg, was
allegedly the ancestor of the aristocratic Dutch Schencks, both Van Toutenburg
and Van Nydeggen. Clove died in 878 fighting Danes. A couple of years later,
Vikings wintered at Valkhof, and then burned the palace. It was rebuilt
later. On our trip, Lara and Gary saw two chapels, all that remains of Valkhof.
The St. Maarten Chapel ruin is from the time of Emperor Frederick Barbarosa (r.
1152-1190). During Barbarosa’s time lived Reynier Schenck, 12</span><sup><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">th</span></sup><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"> Baron Van Toutenburg. The split between Toutenburg and Nydeggen
lines allegedly occurred with two sons of Reynier, Theodorus and Christianus,
respectively. Christianus became cup-bearer to the Count of Jülich, who had a
residence at the Nydeggen Castle, southeast of Aachen. Thus, we see the von/van
Nydeggen (and several spelling variants) by-name for the cadet line.
Christianus Schenck appears in records from 1225, i.e. 787 years prior to 2012.
So, around a couple dozen generations or so prior to living Schenck
descendants. In that time, several mutations would have occurred at
faster-mutating STR (Short Tandem Repeats) yDNA markers. Otherwise, yDNA from
existing male-line descendants should be very close to the genetic pattern of
Christianus, always allowing for some unknown Non-Paternal Events (e.g.
adoption, funny business with passing court jesters, etc.). Descendancy from
Christianus: </span><a href="http://home.kpn.nl/willypeters/Nydeggen/Nydeggen1/nydeg.htm"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">http://home.kpn.nl/willypeters/Nydeggen/Nydeggen1/nydeg.htm</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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famous Maarten Schenck Van Nydeggen, brother of Pieter (b. 1547). A newer
summary of Schenck Van Nydeggen: </span><a href="http://www.genbronnen.nl/genealogie/schenck-van-nydeggen/deel-I.html"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">www.genbronnen.nl/genealogie/schenck-van-nydeggen/deel-I.html</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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fruitful morning in Nijmegen (more on that later), Lara and Gary searched for
bike rentals in Afferden, to no avail (closed for the holiday) A couple of
great bike rides happened on later days. A castle at Afferden on the Maas/Meuse
River predated Bleijenbeek Castle, but no longer exists. Bleijenbeek (Happy
Brook) Castle at Afferden was mentioned in 1228, but it was awhile before
Bleijenbeek and Schenck Van Nydeggen were clearly linked. Down from Heinrich
Schenck Van Nydeggen (d. 1403) and his wife Aelide Van Rayde, the descendancy
can be traced 6 generations to Pieter Schenck Van Nydeggen, our purported (but
seriously doubted) ancestor. Heinrich and family definitely lived at
Bleijenbeek. Aelide brought Walbeck Castle into the Schenck Van Nydeggen
family.</span></span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">Bleijenbeek Castle was
still in good shape up to World War II, but after being bombed by the RAF,
Bleijenbeek is now a bat sanctuary. Lara and Gary could only view it from
outside the line of the moat. Information boards there contain representations
of the probable former appearances of the castle.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">Heinrich’s and Aelide’s
grandson Dederich Schenck Van Nydeggen (c. 1424-1487) was a land and cash
benefactor of Gaesdonck (Goose Hill) Monastery, now the site of an Augustinian College
just over the border into Germany. Lara and Gary saw the church now there
before setting off for Walbeck Castle.</span></span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;">Dederich Schenck Van Nydeggen (c. 1424-1487)</span></span><br />
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the line Dederich’s brother Johann (d. 1491) and Johann’s descendants down 4
generations or so. Currently, Walbeck Castle is owned by a religious group
which uses the castle for youth education and work with traumatized kids. The
castle is in the heart of the Walbeck Spargel (asparagus) growing area. Every
year, there is a festival involving a Walbeck Spargel Princess and her escort
the Spargel Grenadier. We saw a representation of the Spargel Grenadier.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">Dederich married Aleid
Van Büren. Their son Derich (d. 1525) had 3 consorts, including our reported
ancestor Alheit Cüsters. There arose some question about whether or not there
was a proper marriage. This set the stage for a lot of troubles spanning
another 3 generations, as others coveted ownership of Bleijenbeek Castle.
Bleijenbeek Castle in 1505 saw the wedding between Maria Van Galen and Dirk
Schenck Van Nydeggen, son of Dederich and Aleid. Dirk and Maria were the
grandparents of Pieter (b. 1547).</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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on May 5, 1530. A couple of months later Dirk’s widow Maria and kids were
evicted from the castle and arrested on the orders of Charles II Egmond, Duke
of Geldern, Jülich, and Zutphen. Duke Charles was the son of Catherine of
Burgundy, whose grave Lara and Gary had viewed in the undercroft of St. Stevens
Church at Nijmegen. The widow Maria Schenck Van Nydeggen and family relocated at
some point to nearby Goch, now in Germany. Maria’s son Dederich married Anna
Van Berlaer in Goch; their kids: Maarten, Pieter (our purported ancestor),
Johann, Maria Margaretha, and Maria Magdalena. While Maarten was still a child,
his father was still trying to get Bleijenbeek back. Civil courts favored our
Schencks, but that counted for naught when the Vatican (1546) and the Emperor
(1549) said otherwise. That apparently did not sit well with Maarten, who spent
several years fighting to get back Bleijenbeek, not always by peaceful
means. </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maarten_Schenck_van_Nydeggen"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maarten_Schenck_van_Nydeggen</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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of Spain against the Dutch provoked the 80 Years Wars of independence, starting
in 1568. Maarten and some buddies seized Bleijenbeek Castle in 1576, the year
of the “Third Revolt”. Whatever else might be said of Maarten Schenck Van
Nydeggen, as a soldier he often got results. So, it may not have been a wise move
to make him an enemy. The Dutch Estates General gave Maarten’s foe Caspar van
der Lippe the OK to attack Maarten at Bleijenbeek. Caspar didn’t have much luck
(1577), nor did troops of the Count of Nassau (1579). Maarten became an active
ally of the Spanish (what with the Dutch authorities opposing him regarding
Bleijenbeek), winning several victories for the Spanish (but getting little
reward for his efforts, being bypassed for positions he sought). I don’t know
what our alleged ancestor Pieter was doing at this time, but Pieter did
surrender himself as hostage in 1582 as part of a complex deal to free Maarten
from captivity. Their Cousin Berndt Schenck Van Nydeggen was also a hostage.
Maarten had been captured at Xanten by agents of the Governor of Guelders, and
Maarten was held at Geldern and Nijmegen (castle dungeon?). Meanwhile, Caspar
van der Lippe had switched to the Spanish side and was still after Bleijenbeek.</span><br />
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Maarten was persuaded by prominent Dutch persons to give up pursuit of possession
of Bleijenbeek in exchange for other properties, commands, titles, and perks.
The following month, Maarten was engaged in the Battle of Amerongen; it was a
defeat for the Dutch, but Maarten escaped. His subsequent military exploits
were many and colorful, including involvement in the Cologne War (as a soldier
of fortune, he became a soldier with a fortune, after looting Westphalia). He
was knighted by the Earl of Leicester (Robert Dudley), a favorite of English
Queen Elizabeth I.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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Nydeggen built Schenckenshans Fortress, now in Germany near the Dutch border.
The Dutch and their English allies sought to control traffic on the Rhine
River. Gary visited Schenckenshans prior to Lara’s arrival in Amsterdam. There
are several signs about Maarten at this village atop the fortress site, plus a
genuine Maarten Schenck Van Nydeggen doll in a glass case (not available in
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sufficiently appreciated that the Dutch helped to avert disaster posed by the
1588 Spanish Armada planned assault on England. Dutch ships kept the ships and
troops of the Duke of Parma bottled up in Flemish ports, so that they could not
support the Armada. Spanish admirals blamed Parma for the failure to seize
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in 1589. In January, the Spanish hit it hard with troops, artillery (over 1000
cannon balls), and siege works. Was Caspar van der Lippe chuckling? It took
Maarten some time to put together a relieving force, but they got there too
late to stop the Spanish takeover of Bleijenbeek (June 25). Later, Caspar
tried unsuccessfully to get Bleijenbeek from the Spanish, and later still he
finally grabbed Bleijenbeek by marrying off a daughter to a Schenck Van
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Nydeggen planned a waterborne sneak attack upon the Spanish at Nijmegen (which
Maarten had previously seized for the Spanish). The attack was not quite
stealthy enough, and failed. Maarten, weighed down by armor, drowned in the
Waal River at Nijmegen. Lara and Gary visited St. Anthony’s Gate at Nijmegen,
near where the drowning occurred (Aug. 10, 1589). The gate’s alternate name is
the Maarten Schenck Gate. Not content with Maarten’s drowning, his opponents
had his body beheaded and quartered, hanging bits of Maarten above each city
gate. A couple of years later, Prince Maurice of Nassau reportedly arranged a
burial for Maarten at St. Stevens Church in Nijmegen.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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quest of the burial site of Maarten in the church. Lara came rapidly around a
corner, saying to Gary, “Dad, come quick! They’re talking about Maarten
Schenck!” (The title of my e-mail from our B & B in Huizen that evening). A
Dutch guy was speaking in German to a tour group. This guide pointed to an
unlabeled slab (Number 886) as the grave of Maarten. The Germans may have been
surprised to have American possible kin of a historical figure materialize at
the grave. Later, a second guide (the one who gave us the crypt tour)
discounted this as Maarten’s burial site. Yet a third guide ventured that
“maybe” that was Maarten’s tombstone. The list of burials had no entry for
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">Maarten’s brother Pieter
(our purported ancestor and grandfather of Roelof) at some point obtained the
rank of general in the service of the Dutch. Their brother Johann served the
Spanish. Martin Schenck, son of Pieter and Johanna Van Scherpenzeel Schenck Van
Nydeggen, was reportedly born on August 7, 1584, at Muiden (pronounce
“Mouw-den”). The date and place are reported in various histories, but lack
documentary support. Lara and Gary had a brief look at the exterior of Muiden
Castle.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">By 1500, Dutch civil
records included land, cemetery, wills, notarial, and court. In 1530 began
baptismal, marriage, & grave records (DTB = Doop, Trouw, Begraafboeken).</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">Martin Schenck (proposed
nephew of the famous Maarten) reportedly married Maria Margaretha Boeckhorst at
Amersfoort in 1618 (my search of marriage records on microfilm failed to
confirm this). Their alleged son Roelof (b. 1619, Amersfoort?) was part of the
family who went to America. Evidence of descent from Roelof to ourselves seems
solid enough. It is the connection between Pieter and Martin (or even Sir
Maarten and Martin) which is in dispute: Accepted by many, but viewed by some
as unsupported by some. Maria Margaretha Boeckhorst as mother of Roelof is also
problematic. She is also said to be the mother of Johannes Schenck (b. 1656),
who is variously called a cousin of Roelof and Jan, or completely unrelated.
Johannes and his wife Maria Magdalena de Haes reportedly joined the Dutch
Reformed Church in New Amsterdam based upon a certificate from Middelburg,
Zeeland Province. While a case can be made for Middelburg origins for Johann,
no documentary case can be made for his alleged connection to Limburg or to
Schenck Van Nydeggen. See </span><a href="http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/1998-01/0885241193"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/1998-01/0885241193</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">Warning: Some Schenck
trees at Ancestry.com list Roelof (b. 1619) as a brother of Johannes (b. 1656),
although the two were born 37 years apart. A history by Mrs. Adrian Van
Sinderen Schenck indicated that the brothers “…Jan and Roelof were followed to
America in 1683 by Johannes Schenck, a cousin, and his young wife Magdelena de
Haes.” There may be some confusion between Roelof’s brother Jan and their
purported “cousin” Johannes. Jan and Johannes have different dates, wives,
kids, and timelines. Jan appears on page 9 and 10 of “The Van Voorhees
Family in America: The First Six Generations”. Jan’s and Jannetje Stevense Van
Voorhees’ 9 kids do not match the kids of Johannes. Incidentally, the
Boeckhorst surname is associated with Loo village (near Duiven) southeast of
Arnhem, Gelderland.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">Gary, still jet-lagged
but stoked-up, visited lovely Amersfoort on the first day of the Netherlands
trip. This town was the reported birthplace of ancestor Roelof Schenck (b.
1619), marriage place of his parents, and birthplace of Roelof’s sibs Jan and
Annetje.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">Amersfoort is within
Utrecht Province, and the online Utrecht Archives have several records of both
Schenck Van Nydeggen and Schenck Van Toutenburg. Just not our particular
people. This is not to say that the pertinent records did not at one time
exist, nor that they might not still exist elsewhere, as at The Hague
(according to my guide at the church in Doesburg, who also said to look for
non-published family folders in archives). </span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">It is reported that 1704
saw the end of Schenck Van Nydeggen at Bleijenbeek Castle, and that this
aristocratic line became extinct in 1827. People calling themselves Schenck Van
Nydeggen continued to be found in Dutch records through the 1800s. E.g.,
Antoine Francois Joseph Schenck van Nijdeggen appeared in an 1854 record for Nijmegen.
Meanwhile, in America the 1790 and 1800 censuses showed Schenck households to
be mostly concentrated in New York State. Later than that, substantial
numbers of non-Dutch Schenck people no doubt cloud the picture.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">My Schenck correspondent
Pete descends from both Roelof and Jan, and has multiple connections to Van
Voorhees, plus Van Der Veer ancestry. Pete’s yDNA would be from Jan. Pete’s
ancestry includes 3 persons named Ferdinand Schureman Schenck. Pete has
provided me with a considerable amount of interesting and helpful information
on the Schenck ancestry.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">Our ancestor Roelof’s
brother Jan married Jannetje Stevense Van Voorhees. Jannetje’s brother Lucas
Stevense Van Voorhees was also our ancestor. Lucas’ son Jan married Mayke
Schenck, daughter of Roelof. Got that? Jan’s and Mayke’s son married a Brokaw,
and a grandson married a Van Dyke.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">From me (Gary) back to
Roelof is 10 generations, with our respective birthdates 324 years apart, and
an average span of 32.4 years/generation. Autosomal DNA can only detect cousins
with a common ancestor back about 5 generations, so back from me to the level
of the parents of our Margaret Williamson McCreary.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">This list of some
pioneers in New Netherland is much appreciated: </span><a href="http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/nnlanc74.html"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/nnlanc74.html</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"> Our known ancestors appearing on the list
include Adam Brouwer, Roelof Martense Schenck, Cornelius Van Ness, Steven Van
Voorhies/Voorhees, Cornelis Vanderveer, and Teunis Gysberts Bogart. Jan
Sebring/Seuberinge appears to have been a brother to Willempie, who married
Steven Van Voorhees. Ancestor Catherine Hansen Van Norstrand Van Voorhees may
have been kin to Jacob Janse Van Nostrand; the Schleswig Holstein connection is
interesting. Several of our Dutch kinfolk also appear among the congregation of
the Flatbush Dutch Reformed Church: </span><a href="http://genealogyresearchcentral.com/FDRCMarriage%201677_1757.htm"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">http://genealogyresearchcentral.com/FDRCMarriage%201677_1757.htm</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"> Many of the kin lived in Amersfoort
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Williamson McCreary had two lines of Van Dyke ancestry: Her paternal
grandmother Maria Van Dyke Williamson; and Margaret’s ancestor Margareta Van
Dyke Van Voorhees. One or more of the four Van Dyck guys on the pioneers list
might offer some clues as to our further Van Dyke ancestry. Van Dyke DNA
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">Our ancestor Gillis Jans
De Mandeville (b. 1626) migrated to America and was a 2</span><sup><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">nd</span></sup><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"> great-grandfather of Margareta Van Dyke Van Voorhees (a
great-grandmother of our Margaret Williamson McCreary). Gillis’ grandfather Dr.
Michael Jans De Mandeville spent much of his life in Nijmegen, and may have had
some close encounters with some Schenck Van Nydeggen people. Michael’s
Huguenot (French Calvinist) ancestors reportedly came from France.</span></span></div>
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married Maria Van De Raede (b. Antwerp) on June 13, 1601 and their son (our
ancestor) Johann "Jan" Michaelsz De Mandeville was born in Nijmegen
soon afterwards. That was about a dozen years after the death at Nijmegen of
Sir Maarten Schenck Van Nydeggen. In 1601, the Dutch Wars of Independence from
Spain were continuing, with a truce of a few years still some time away (1609),
and General Pieter Schenck Van Nydeggen was in his final years of life,
somewhere. My guide at Doesburg, Gelderland, suggested looking further south
for Schenck Van Nydeggen. </span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">Dr. Michael De Mandeville
became City Physician of Nijmegen, and was prominent in civic events. He would
have been a frequent visitor to the city hall (he was on the city council in
1618), where it is reported that the military harness of Sir Maarten Schenck
Van Nydeggen hangs. The city hall was locked up when Lara and Gary were
in Nijmegen.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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Latin School (still standing, pictured below) in Nijmegen. In 1607, Michael was asked to resign
as principal at the Latin School in order to devote full time to the practice
of medicine.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<a name='more'></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">No doubt Michael and his
physician descendants visited the hospital (now a restaurant) at the Commanderie
of St. Jan. This was founded in the 13</span><sup><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">th</span></sup><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"> Century as a shelter for
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many kids. I had thought that they might have been associated with St. Steven’s
Church in Nijmegen (</span><a href="http://gelderlandchurches.tripod.com/nijmegensteven.html"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">http://gelderlandchurches.tripod.com/nijmegensteven.html</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"> ), but a guide said “no”. This was the same
guide who told me “maybe” about the purported grave in that church of Sir
Maarten Schenck Van Nydeggen. I wonder about the relationships between the
Dutch Reformed and Huguenot (Calvinist) congregations in Nijmegen in those
days. In 1623, Nijmegen denied citizenship to any Catholics moving into the
city. “…within a span of three decades five of the largest towns of the central
and eastern areas of the Republic had deprived their Catholic population of the
right to participate in the community on a par with the Calvinists.” (page 163,
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Lara at tulip fields north of Leiden, where ancestor Rev. Jan De Mandeville studied theology. <span style="font-family: "times new roman"; font-size: 16pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"></span></span></span></td></tr>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">On March 3, 1623,
Johannes “Jan” Michaelsz de Mandeville entered Leiden University, and studied
theology. He probably had had some earlier education elsewhere. Rembrandt Van
Rijn lived in Leiden then. Leiden was then a center for cultivation of tulips.
Lara and Gary saw tulips aplenty just north of Leiden in April 2012.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">In 1624, Johannes “Jan”
Michaelsz de Mandeville lectured on the Hebrew language at the Atheneum at
Harderwijk, Gelderland. He was married in Harderwijk the next year, according
to the Gelderland Archives. This is contrary to what many family trees say,
which is Garderen. Jan married Trintgen Wilms on April 24, 1625, at Harderwijk.
A son of Jan and Trintgen was Gillis Jans De Mandeville, the ancestor of the
American De Mandeville people. Gillis was baptized in June 1626 at Doesburg,
according to the Gelderland Archives; a witness was Gillis’ grandpa Michael of
Nijmegen. It is not clear where Jan, Trintgen, and little Gillis lived then.
Gillis was probably named after his uncle Aegidius (Gillis) De Mandeville, who
in turn was named after Aegedius Radaeus Van De Raede (father of Maria, who was
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Martinikerk in Doesburg, Gelderland. Baptism location of Gillis De Mandeville, son of Jan and grandson of Michael (a witness at the 1626 baptism). <span style="font-family: "times new roman"; font-size: 16pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"></span></span></span></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Doesburg on the River Ijssel. De Mandeville, Schenck, and Scherpenzeel associations. <span style="font-family: "times new roman"; font-size: 16pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"></span></span></span></td></tr>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">In 1628, Rev. Johannes
“Jan” Michaelsz de Mandeville was appointed candidate minister at the Reformed
Church at Kootwijk (west of Apeldoorn and southeast of Harderwijk; near
Garderen). Meanwhile, Jan’s brother Emmanuel was studying medicine at Leiden.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Church at Kootwijk, Gelderland. Rev. Jan De Mandeville preached here in 1628.<span style="font-family: "times new roman"; font-size: 16pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"></span></span></span></td></tr>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">I really liked cozy
Kootwijk village, set in the woods. Jan became minister at nearby Garderen in
1630. He lived at Garderen until his death in 1657. An illegible stone in the
church cemetery is thought to be Jan’s. My visit to Garderen was cut short by a
downpour and a need to deal with end-of-day motorway traffic heading back
towards my base at Huizen.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Church at Garderen, Gelderland. Rev. Jan De Mandeville preached here for much of his life and was probably buried here.<span style="font-family: "times new roman"; font-size: 16pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"></span></span></span></td></tr>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">The plague in Nijmegen in
1635 killed Jan’s father Michael, and 6,000 other people. Jan’s physician
brother Emmanuel appears at </span><a href="http://www.huisvandenijmeegsegeschiedenis.nl/info/18_The_Plague"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">www.huisvandenijmeegsegeschiedenis.nl/info/18_The_Plague</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Nijmegen of 1641. Dr. Michael De Mandeville was one of 6,000 people who died of plague here in 1635.<span style="font-family: "times new roman"; font-size: 16pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"></span></span></span></td></tr>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">Perhaps shortly after
this time Jan’s son Gillis married Elsie Hendricks at Garderen. Their home</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"> was at </span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">Voorthuizen village, near Garderen. Jan died in 1657. Gillis’
family left for America in 1659 aboard the ship “<i>De Trouw”</i> (Faith). His
daughter Tryntje Gillis De Mandeville later in America married Cornelius Janse
Vanderveer. Gillis De Mandeville reportedly became a friend of Gov. Peter
Stuyvesant, who had to surrender New Netherland to England in 1664.</span></span><br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Citizens urging Governor Peter Stuyvesant (friend of Gillis De Mandeville) to not fire on the English. 1664 Fall of New Netherland, from Wikipedia.<span style="font-family: "times new roman"; font-size: 16pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;"></span></span></span></td></tr>
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wife Annetje Pieterse Wyckoff (our ancestor) was the daughter of Pieter
Claessen Wyckoff and Margrietje "Grietje" Cornelis Van Ness. Grietje
(b. 1624-1625) was reportedly born at Vianen, which lies south of Utrecht city
beyond the river Lek. I correspond with a descendant of Grietje’s brother
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Cornelis Hendrickse Van Ness, who owned property at Scheperswyck, near
Leksmond, Vianen. He reportedly continued to own this property even after
migration to America in 1641. Cornelis’ wife was Mayken Hendrickse Van Den
Burchgraeff. Her grandfather Adriaen Arnolde Van den Burchgraeff was born in
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Ness and his wife Maygen (several spelling are in various documents) appears in
a document of July 31, 1625, at future Albany. This was the Dutch colony of
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Cornelis’ first wife Mayeke Henricx Van Den Burchgraeff Van Ness, Cornelis drew
up a document on March 21, 1664. This document named his several kids as
recipients of their mother’s property: Including our Grietie Cornelis, wife of
Pieter Claessen (Wyckoff) of New Amersfoort on Long Island. Cornelis indicated
that he was about to re-marry. At that time, Cornelis was a member of the
Council of Rensselaerswyck Colony. </span><a href="http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/albany/na/rensselaerswyck.html"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">www.nysm.nysed.gov/albany/na/rensselaerswyck.html</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"> Cornelis was a farmer. He also co-owned a
brewery with his son-in-law Jan Jansen Van Oothout (husband of Hendrickie
Cornelis Van Ness).</span></span><span style="color: #1a1a1a; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 13.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #1a1a1a; font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;">Here’s looking at our
Bogart ancestry, referencing from our ancestor Marytje Brokaw Van Voorhees
(mother of Revolutionary War soldier Stephen Petrus Van Voorhees, below).
Marytje’s maternal grandmother was Catherine Teunis Bogart Van Middlesward (b.
1657). Catherine’s Bogaert/Bogart ancestry was associated with Utrecht and
South Holland provinces. The surname means “orchard”.</span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">Catherine’s father was
Teunis Gysbertse Bogaert (b. 1625), and grandfather Gijsbert T. Bogaert (d.
1646, Schoonrewoerd, South Holland). Teunis Gysbertse Bogaert migrated to the
New World in 1652, and in 1654 he married Sara Rapelje, said to have been the
first European girl born (1625) in New Netherland. Catherine’s brother
Gysbert was the ancestor of actor Humphrey Bogart (kin of our other cousin Tom
Brokaw). An interesting biography of Teunis: </span><a href="http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=33445976"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=33445976</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"> </span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">I don’t know if our
Bogaert line had any connection with Johannes Bogaert, a canon in 1557 at St.
Petruskerk in Trajectum, a suburb of Utrecht city. The document from the
Utrecht Archives with his name also refers to Fredericus Schenck Van
Toutenburg, previously mentioned in this blog.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">While scrolling through
the Amersfoort marriages microfilm in search of any Schenck, I ran across the 6
January 1594 wedding of Lieutenant Frerick Bogaert (of Utrecht) and Anna
Cornelis Lÿstersdochter (of Amersfoort). One wonders if that guy was any
kin to the naval lieutenant Frederick Bogaert mentioned here: </span><a href="http://anglo-dutch-wars.blogspot.com/2006/12/frederick-bogaerts-ship-in-september.html"><span style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;">http://anglo-dutch-wars.blogspot.com/2006/12/frederick-bogaerts-ship-in-september.html</span></a><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"> Currently there are 5 Bogart DNA
samples on file with Family Tree DNA, but they are not viewable by the public.</span></span><span style="color: #1a1a1a; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 13.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #1a1a1a; font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;">Our ancestor Steven
Petrus Van Voorhees (d. 1815, Seneca, N.Y.) was a New Jersey private during the
American Revolution. DAR Ancestor # A119223. He married Margareta Van Dyke.
Steven was a Roelof Martense Schenck descendant, and Margarita was a Gillis De
Mandeville descendant. Steven and Margarita were great-grandparents of Margaret
Williamson McCreary, mother of Emma Jane McCreary Muffley. Steven Petrus Van
Voorhees reportedly served while a resident in Somerset County, N.J.</span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">There are several Van
Dyke entries at DAR. No doubt some were kin to ancestor Margareta Van Dyke Van Voorhees.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">list several Schenck men
who fought in the Revolution, all from New Jersey. To name just a few: Abram
Schenck (Ancestor #A100680); his brother Henry H. Schenck (#A100693); John
Garretsen Schenck (#A100702); John H. Schenck (#A100713); Garret G. Schenck
(#A100690; died 1839 in Warren County, Ohio); John R. Schenck (#A100714; died
1829 in Butler County, Ohio); and Rulef Schenck (#A100723; died 1836 in Mohawk,
Herkimer County, N.Y.). </span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #1a1a1a;">From this list, these
appear (Ancestry.com trees) to descend from Johannes Schenck (b. 1656,
Middelburg, Zeeland), alleged (but doubted) cousin of our Roelof Martense
Schenck: Brothers Abram and Henry H. Schenck.</span><span style="color: #1a1a1a;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="color: #1a1a1a; font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;">These appear to descend
from our Roelof Martense Schenck (via his first wife, not by our ancestor
Annetje Wyckoff): Capt. John Garretsen Schenck; Garret G. Schenck; John R.
Schenck; & Rulef Schenck.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;">DAR records have several entries for
Mandeville. E.g., Yellis Mandeville (Ancestor #A073347), a nephew of our
ancestor Tryntje Gillis De Mandeville Vanderveer.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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